Interview with Mark Hansen, M.D.

Department of Psychiatry, 
Mayo Clinic, Rochester, MN


"Does Recovery attendance conflict with professional treatment?"


"Not at all. I have viewed Recovery as complementing the physician's efforts. The psychiatrist essentially works with the patient. The doctor and the patient have responsibilities. It is not like a physical illness where the doctor treats the patient. Patients learn through Recovery that they can improve and learn how to cope. The doctor and the patient work together to form an alliance."

"Do you feel comfortable referring a patient who is on medication to Recovery, Inc. meetings?"


"Yes I do, because I am confident that no one in Recovery will be offering medical advice. Both AA and Narcotics Anonymous have strong opinions against all drugs. Recovery encourages the patient to work with the doctor. It is easy to refer patients to Recovery but I certainly would not put AA down either."

"At what point in the course of treatment would you refer a patient to Recovery, Inc. meetings?


"That would depend on the condition of the patient. With regard to major illnesses, I would wait for some stability and return of some judgment and self control. It is reasonable to refer patients from their first visit or at least to suggest Recovery attendance at this time."

"What patients do you feel are suitable for referral?"


"It is easy to say who would not be suitable for referral. So many patients might benefit from Recovery: all types of anxiety disorders, depression, psycho-physical disorders, stress of psychological symptoms. Those suffering from manic depression and schizophrenia can benefit after some medical treatment. People who have regular chemical addiction and suffer from severe memory loss must wait for stability. Any patient with brain damage or dementia is not suitable for referral. People with depression would benefit except in the most serious stage."

"Can schizophrenics and agoraphobics benefit from Recovery Inc.?"


"Yes, I would treat each one separately. After the schizophrenic is out of severe delusions and hallucinations he/she can live in the community. After the hospital phase of treatment, the patient needs time to get acclimated to daily life and then it is the ideal time for SELF-HELP, which is such an important part of recovery for the schizophrenic. Because agoraphobia is an anxiety disorder, the patient needs to be convinced to go to a Recovery meeting. They learn the wisdom conveyed by choosing to act in spite of the symptoms. They will benefit as soon as they can be convinced to get out and go to the meetings."

"How is Recovery different from a 12-step program?"


"I am not an expert on AA, but I do refer people to AA. There is no dominant spiritual component in Recovery like there is in AA. The focus in Recovery is on trivialities and this is a distinct advantage. Recovery sticks with the practical aspects of coping and living and leaves existential matters to others. There are two advantages of this practical aspect: First, it keeps the patient from getting bogged down in unanswerable questions. Secondly, it keeps the focus on daily living, on what you have to do to get by each day. These two groups are not antithetical. There is no co-existing conflict. The AA program does concentrate on making amends for the past. Better groups come around to working in the present. The challenge is to make each day as good as we can to make the future better for ourselves."


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